Special Edition with Sue Henry

The Sue Henry Show
Tuesday, April 18th

A preview of the “Voices” project at Misericordia University, a collaborative effort between students and faculty that lends understanding to mental illness. Also, An interview with Pennsylvania U.S. Senator Pat Toomey and a discussion with PBS host and author Bruce Feiler about his new book, “The First Love Story: Adam, Eve and Us.”  


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Welcome to special edition. A weekly look at these issues in the news and the personalities shaping the stories special edition is a production of Entercom communications. The views expressed by guests are not necessarily those of Entercom communications staff. Management or sponsors and now here's your host soon Henry. On today's program. We'll get a preview of a unique learning experience at mr. Courtney university. That has afforded students and will soon give members of the public some perspective. In understanding mental illness. Will sit down with Pennsylvania US senator Pat Toomey and get his reaction to the confirmation of a new Supreme Court justice. As well as assessments about concerns in Syria and North Korea. And while mediate PBS host and author. Whose new book explores the relationship of the first couple that would be at a mini. Asking students to read textbooks about depression suicide and post traumatic stress is one way to teach them. About these real life situations. But what about actually giving them the opportunity to meet those experiencing these issues. And allow them to write about what they've discovered that kind of real life learning happen on the campus of ms. recording university in Dallas this year. As students under the supervision of two faculty members set out to interview more than sixty people. Who agreed to share their stories of coping with topics like addiction. Alzheimer's and eating disorders. The students then broke narratives which will be unveiled next weekend in a stage production at mr. cornea called the voices project mental health. On April 20 through the 23. The sessions are meant to break down stereotypes people may have regarding the circumstances. And even influence the students in their careers and lives. Will have more details of that production later. But first here's an interview between doctor leash and Nordstrom professor of psychology and students who discussed their perceptions. So what do you think that he had gotten home until illness is well I have mental illness I cannot think it's just. A different personality different way we're playing differently looking things what do you think most people think. Wendy here on the Ellen saying click here attacked and any particular stereotypes are images our program when people have not met the homeless. Yeah talent rocking back and forth in my. Pretty EE it stigma exists throughout that that the person that comes because people just see that there. People yeah I want to tap that certain way because they don't try to overcome in her and they don't want to get better. How accurate it is not very accurate because you don't confide Allen Aaron I can still having problems that people classy. Doctor Nordstrom has spearheaded other voices projects on the campus the twist is. Project began in 2009. As east ecology assignment that engage entered a psychology students. And the whole purpose and goal was hopes its explore their attitudes towards what I call groups difference people in society that are judged as being different are outside the quote unquote norm and why we react to particularly it's only consider people different. And this. Came about because in interest ecology I teach pastors takes practice and I always have an activity where students. Names. Typical stereotypes to Parker missed. And there was a girl who raised her hand and she. Shared this stereotype that she has this experience when she went on a plane and she saw somebody that had blanket. On their head she described an act and she ran off the plane crying and called her mom saying that there's terrorists. So there was a moment in time when I realized that the contents of what I teach is certainly important psychology. But even more important. Is helping students turn four years they're here. Really think about her attitudes towards others because this student who had some preconceived notions or interpretations. So that's Muslim what happens. Asked for her future careers if we haven't done our job right here and college that she might have a response summoning her current anchor. Classroom. Or her business client that will really compromise her ability to be active in her job as well so for personal and professional reasons. I realized I needed to really think about my teaching has an opportunity. To help students. Begin to think about and you eat and so that's other projects started and if first time I did it I had students interviewed people from EU wide cross section of diverse groups near where racial groups religious groups and sex orientation and social class and different conditions. And I had an interest costs of thirty students. And I paired them up into twos and they each interviewed. A purse and happy having negative. Attitude towards that social. This didn't provide that information through ranking sheet that and it is not particularly excited about this idea that Palin would be entered eggs one. That they had just told me an attitude about the group and so it took a lot of work in the classroom to. Chat with them about their anxieties. Worried about. And debt and after the students met that person they came back instead Christians like a regular person. That just like my that I just went out so the students. Based on their interviews grows. A short memoir of the persons like that the interviews. And this stories were a means and we and had thirty stories of people from all these different groups and the stories really focused on how being a member of that group whether it was an eating American or Hispanic American workers and aids those students really focused on ideally like inexperience person and the stories captured some really painful moments some moments of discrimination so moments of projection isolation. The store is also captured a lot of prize. So there was a wide variety of experiences which I think is what ultimately destroy Stuart says when you realize it's not just one that. This group has a whole variety of different experiences and so how many stories are really want to cheer them beyond the classroom. Hi found a group of faculty we took these stories and integrated it into staged reading program that we chair that program at the end of the semester with the campus with the community. The people that were interviewed came and got to hear their stories being an honest age and it was a really beautiful experience. That was the very first generation. The second. Version of the project I focused. That was this project just on physical. Disability because that was not a group that was covered in the first one group that's really. That was in 2012. And I had a group a teacher education majors too I thought were very connected with the topic disability. Fetus into duty interviews and this time I worked with the center for independent means Scranton. Within two minutes they found me twenty people who her interest in being interviewed say interest at like really want me to share their stories my students. Did the same Amy interviewed individuals that had a range. Physical disabilities so including deafness blindness stroke spinal cord injuries Arthur proposes terrible policy and the students were at their memoirs and again. I had a team faculty integrate into Steve treating program. This time we had a report to people who came to listen to the stories the mental health has been a long time coming. My background is being clinical psychology specifically child clinical psychology. So I've really been gearing up for this moment to be able to you delve into mental health which. By itself mean its own program I cutting you in it all the conditions into one program. I just picked about twelve that earns program this time I had a partner so I partnered up. With doctor may indicate went from English department and she is the chair of medical help humanity program and disability mental and physical disability as part which he studies. And teaches her students as well we combined our survey courses might intro to psychology and her university writing seminar. And this time we had fifty students. Coup. Participated in the program and today interviewed over sixty people that had mental health conditions or happy remembers that and those conditions include anxiety depression and schizophrenia. Bipolar disorder alzheimer's. Intellectual disability optimism substance abuse and more also suicide PT EST as well. And these students. Were absolutely incredible work Selma shore many of them were first your students that they got a big welcome to his or Korea just city now. I'm going to Heidi interview person with adamant opposition which firm many of the students they actually were very familiar with mental health conditions may Yunnan even disclose that they abdomen themselves that they had close and we members. But many of them. I didn't really know a lot about it they handled the track each and an anticipation. Which it integrity and maturity and made to go out and interviewed people that have. Disorders are remembers and he wrote some of the best stories I've bragged since I started the program and thanks to use Doctor King led. With her English background in writing background she really helped expand the party assignment that was the memoir so instead of just a traditional story from you know beginning and are just hiring beams which many students did and did beautifully. She also opened up new ideas such it's communicating stories through crack panels like comics four blocks or letters poetry and so we'd be sixty stories we have. An even larger rating team. This time around and we've been working diligently to integrity peace sixty stories together and to me. Cohesive program this program at all take place it as a recording April 20 21 and second and 23 and it will be a full out electrical production by have a cast. At least 22. Amazing actors ranging from nine years old team sixty years old and it will be memorized. With no scripts because size. Really what not to capture the intimacy and emotional poignancy of these stories without the scripts blocking between audience and actors dance. Hi I'm really trying to reach out as many people as like and to let them know about it most people speak where it has some kind of connection to themselves. Members or friends and I feel like there's something in this program for every. For those that are connected to mental well I hope to bring validation. And a sense that I'm not that this parent also knows what. Or this person. Is seeing exactly what I Gunter and for those who don't know a lot about mental health or who maybe think that they view. I hope to brings an education and understanding. And I think for most people who in beating these stories. Looking at the script a lot of people are saying I never knew that's what it's. That's not what I thought atlas that's something here line and I think that most people feel that way IC ash from. Questions to am playing I guess people who who studied. Psychology and Andy on mental health may be sometimes they keep. A little bit of a distance from that at this forces. You know something to be human eyes before their eyes what kind of experience was that like. The first inning and I was able to chat with them before and after they did their interviews and before we talk we talked a lot about what are the stereotypes of mental help. And through our combined classes where doctor Q ad. We talked together as an entire group about what people generally think of when they think of schizophrenia and or other mental health conditions we identified a lot of concert types like people with mental Hulk conditions are dangerous. And likely to do criminal. Activity that's what we see a lot of the media and the crime shows. That there incompetent that they can hold down jobs. That they're not educated can't take care of themselves. And I think what all one thing that. I found it when's the instant after their interviews was when I ask students what they thought of the stereotypes must instead. Look at me like why that's not true because they're now. Remembering this real person that interview and how competent and put together and sensitive that person as and for me what's so heartbreaking about the stigma of mental health is that. Most people walk around and you and even now. That hat that's hot conditions because not only do they have. That condition and whatever that is polar disorder anxiety depression but days are aware of the statements that are gonna hide and they're gonna do everything they can. In their job in their school life to trying to hide it and so it's like his double bird they have the burden of experiencing that being and then they have the bird in a patent. And the only way to really breaks stigma is to make it okay to talk about it antique shame and embarrassment and secrecy out of it. Doctor leash and Nordstrom is a professor of psychology. Who developed the voices project. Her colleague doctor Amanda king led associate professor of English and director of the medical and health humanities program that is recording yet. Assisted in the writing phase of the project. Which will be presented next weekend. It was a great opportunity having just started the medical how many program here fits in perfectly fair for some of our objectives for the program to be very front I didn't know what it was an offer to. Being written but. I think you know one thing is just having two different disciplines in the room a lot of the kind of teaching acting near real difference in terms of just the different perspectives in ninety you know we shake off her really great in plain terms of the psychology and we're teaching this graphic now for instance I think a lot of the symbolism I think those things work well together and then when it came to the actual writing of the memoirs and worked with a lot of students who want to some degree days were really concerned with how to write capture someone's voice and story and I spent a lot of time in English classes and medical and talking about Ayers and talking about patient stories and and making sure we don't see things in making sure that their story speaks on its own. Stage with its own right so -- -- questions are very concerned how to reduce this this is a really powerful story and it says they can really creative ideas I can't get any credit they came up to eight years and we just worked together one of the one that comes to mind I had a C news interview tomorrow with PT SD wits it's sexual assault and he wanted to capture. Where that person with now and so did it prisoners of letters to the people. Who harm that individual and whether that would either sexual salters themselves. Or tune the doctors misdiagnosed for years and it was really powerful the progression of the letters are credible. I think and others EUU geographic area because of the book we I was really inspiring. To think about not just text images how do we Ian. Address mental health conditions through other aspects and really think about different learning sounds as well I think my role was part of the creativity aspect certainly. But another person you can think about it win. Wages of structuring story a little bit differently who's had experience in terms of writing and how do you present and some of the story he tells where it's a lot crack one of the things we did it being with the NASA I think help me this didn't we actually. Gave him a sample of what the voice Sprecher might look we did some verbatim here. And what we it's we came in independently drama classes soccer league starts and we did not acknowledge seeds and earnings per give them numbers. The numbers that you never right this summer where an awkward name underling your name we need. Called on them and an even answer is there really the best you can do. Sure you rate for college in a first students in particular I have my hospital mergers and yelling in the nine. Why this woman she's horrible. I'd ones news mom and not paying student. And we needed me I think in the end up before we broke because it was quite difficult for us emotionally and explained the scenes are and we want and reflect on what does it need to be treated as a thing and not the person. We act and to write how did you feel and experience can you think of it and experience your. Where this has happened. Based on those writings and anonymous we could get an about a day it's amazing and we took on stories market is 5050 pounds they fell in. And turned in she was. We're at least in my and hinted the writings that are rat out the stories inner greeted Catholic president so you get a sense one this is this year's experience that they're not and she would like to hear your own voice was like to hear your story. And we then after the on and I think I think it was a really enemy. And brought them closer together to work on a project that it. The service feel very difficult because it's not just rating deeper going out conducting interviews with the idea it. Another person in your B game the right question to ask enough questions. All the things too many questions but I happen to think about. Narrative and that story. And I hope that something that they took that lesson to be this master. In agrees with this project and hopefully carries through academic. From the exit just that into. About the sports is private that's different and her or her computer screen interviewed you you can it work forward to that to the script things like that I and here we have another. We have the students interviewing we have them write a memoir and then we have a team of writers turning into a script mixture can integrate well and I think what's interesting about that it. Accretion memoir rings this deep in to experience it. It happened the earlier of how can I relate to this person it's also it's still the person's story very much so. But it's also how is that sort received thousands or process and I can imagine there's places where that go awry but it's really wonderful think of how often that didn't. Zachary Davis is a first year psychology student that is recording university he discusses his participation. So walking McCluster in the one day doctor Norstrom told the class are going to start this thing called the voices project and my first thought was you gotta be kidding me like first of all I was thinking it was a very cool experience on the other hand I was very overwhelmed thinking to myself oh my gosh my first semester in college and then be doing something that's so above and beyond the regular classroom experience I was paired with the mother of a son who committed suicide very very sad very exciting experience. I almost felt like calling it quits because of how scary it was I never experienced anything that anybody. Had to go through that she had to do going into the office talked to her sweating bullets extremely nervous on it in Bruce just such a worthwhile experience getting to know someone. There were different perspective and that's what I really learned walking out of that room that all the stories that she had. Apollo such a traumatic experience she ends up learning a lot from it just is silent. A lot from that experience too and I do not regret the fact that I didn't turn away typing of the paper. I absolutely fell one day she deserved justice. From here that I was writing I was holding. The voice to tell everyone else her experience I was holding the voice of her traumatic experience her losing a sullen and I felt that with the obligation to do my part to help her when she did her part to be brave enough and courageous enough to tell. Or story to me. I guess the biggest part about this project would be did. Can reveal all of what you came up with how did you write your story what kind of method DG news thinking you know the paper. Realize that during the course of the interview. How personal everything was of course what you would think because of the Mulder talking about the story is excellent. In order to give that paper true justice I needed to get it through the first person perspective a very personal narrative piece through everything was and I mean tends to talking about oh the stories almost is a quality you're reliving. Those experiences as you're living through her eyes as well and that's a different feel like there's there's going to the interview. As I was walking in her shoes seeing through her eyes the experiences of heard dealing with judgment and experience of dealing with her son and having to guide him through such a horrible time with his depression I was nervous though to sell her. Because as much as I feel like. I did a good job so inexperienced who are I was so nervous thinking that are like pool like what is she going to thing. It was very like self conscious about it how do you think this will change the way you approach. People when you're when you're practicing whatever. Disciplinarian in the future so and actually when doctor Norris. Almost talking of well the stigma that we all I am definitely going to say that I was a victim of falling under social stigma for. Those mental health conditions. Because I never had a first experience of anyone else with. The mental health condition. I had the social stigma that oh like depression equals recluse permanently not wanting to do anything and then after learning a bow. Everything firsthand. Finally after learning from those experiences that I myself aren't I finally. Felt as though I was able to bring that so that stigma about the press and I was able to learn through the eyes of someone else a better perspective. An affiliate can definitely be generalized. By expert truly finding an experience toward something that you initially didn't know to be able to perceive it in different sense that you initially thought I feel it would definitely help me as a student. And then hopefully as someone who'll eventually attain a career in any sort of field finding a different perspective on. Someone or something or any idea is definitely something that will carry with me through life pretty interest in doing when you graduate Imus ecology underground but in graduate school I am in the physical therapy program. So after about five years Adobe hopefully pursuing a career in the physical therapy field. This 48 universities presentation of the voices project mental health. Is planned for Thursday through Saturday April 20 through the 22. At 8 PM and Sunday April 23 at three. In the LaMont theater in Walsh hall the presentations are free. And open to the public. For more information visit the mr. Carty university website. Listening to special addition on Entercom communications. It's good you were listening to special edition on intercom communications. Posted by so Henry. The attention of the American people has not been diverted from Washington very often during the early days of the trump presidency. And the past week has been no exception a new Supreme Court justice Neil gore sets was sworn in on Monday. And trump green lighted they resent tomahawk missile strike on an airbase in Syria US senator Pat Toomey. Who recently began his second six year term drop by this week to discuss these events and others with us first of all let's let's start out with. The end with the swearing in of a new supreme court judge Neil course such and this is as somebody that you voted yes on near the Pennsylvania senator that didn't vote yes so can you talk about. Fury interaction with him. And what impressed you about him does somebody's sit on the hike. Work I don't think that president trump could've picked a better person for the supreme court's. I took a look at his record. I looked at the cases that he wrote not all from the did over 2700. I have made probably an hour long conversation with them in my office. He is extremely intelligent but very modest very humble and the thing that I'm excited about is he. Totally understands and believes in the limited role that a judge or justice is supposed to play in our society. I'm like come. Some others. Who think that they're role is to be a legislature of last resort to and to impose a policy on the country that. That they think has tried since they're smarter than the rest of us. Does course which has none of that. He understands that the American people or so conference they make policy decisions by electing people with whom they agreed. And firing them if the elected people don't do as they expect. And judges are not accountable to the electorate they have lifetime positions. Spend so it makes no sense for them to be in the business of policy. That's for the elected branches what does make sense is for them to call balls and strikes. But interpret the law as it's written not as they would like to get to have been written so so this is a fundamental design and the in divide we have between the left and the right if you will. He and the role of a judge judge of course inch. Takes the view of the limited. Competent role and by the way. Completely impartial everyone who comes before him gets treated equally. But the and they are man or woman young old rich poor black white he is not in the business of deciding who gets preferential treatment. And nor should we saw I'm I'm. Very optimistic that he's going to be a great justice and hopefully for very long time is a relatively young man I think it's 49. And I'm very pleased we were able to confirm. I guess though that the seed that comes open next to is be the one and who have great intrigue and we know. That there was a lot of opposition from the Democrats this time around and that and that some of the procedures were changed. You get this injustice skin and I guess she did today here on apparel you know you decide won't how all this work next time so. In Europe. Estimation how the sport text so you know that's that's a big topic and an important one for first is the important thing to keep in mind is. This was the first time there was a partisan filibuster against a Supreme Court nominee in the history of the republic. This is completely unprecedented what Chuck Schumer decided to do. Against a completely qualified competent mainstream. Judge who has ten years. Of a record and by the way was confirmed unanimously to the Circuit Court of Appeals. And Chuck Schumer is position was. Seek any said this generation or two man I'll show you you know people can look it up the speech he said he couldn't imagine that there's anyone that Donald Trump could pick the Republicans would support. Then to the Democrats also support and when asked well does that mean you would just to be in favor of keeping this vacancy. Indefinitely he said absolutely so the idea that we're gonna go for four years or eight years depending on the president Trump's success. In a reelection effort. Without feeling any vacancies on the Supreme Court because Donald Trump doesn't get to fill vacancies that's ridiculous and so when our democratic colleagues confronted us with us and said we're gonna deny you the sixty votes. That we Republicans routinely provided when we're in the marriage we said OK let Bennett we don't have any choice and by the way you say well how old does this play out in the future it probably plays out the way it would have any way I'm number one Republicans generally have provided the votes so that even though where when we've been in the minority like. Barack Obama's two nominees were confirmed. Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor got over sixty votes and secondly. Our democratic colleagues said they would change the holes they're the ones that changed it and Tony thirteen forever and so. Look it's it's unfortunate. That that there's this acrimony in the process. But at the end of the day we've got a very very good man has been confirmed to the Supreme Court last week that there was this decision by the president to launch this. Missile strike. On a Syrian air base our airfield. A lot of people are taken by surprise. Over that where you I was surprised when it happened I'd put out a statement that very day. In which I said that if the UN will not to act in the face of this. Just appalling use of chemical weapons the massacre of his own people in the United States had to that frankly was my view Bakken 2013 when President Obama threatened to end and did nothing and I think. That threat and the refusal to carry through. Emboldened people like Assad probably. The food look everyone notices when the United States and does something dramatic on the world stage or threatens to and then does not too. Either way there are consequences to this I don't think we're ever gonna defeat ices as long as Asad has some power in Syria she has a built in automatic recruiting. Bonanza for crisis for a variety of reasons. He is also an appalling mass murderer has has father was the use of chemical weapons is extremely dangerous to all of us because these can proliferate fans after all he has controlled ultimately by Iran and Russia Iran is the leading state sponsor of terrorism in the world. It is not a great leap of logic to understand that the un bridled use of these weapons in the Middle East is is a direct threat to American personnel on the ground in the Middle East but over time it's a proliferation risk so I think the president did the right thing. The most important thing now though is to have a comprehensive plan for how we deal with this very very complicated very difficult environment. Are you in favor of using any kind of resources US resources. Maybe in concert with the other people. To remove Asad. The removal of aside would only be one piece and paid a big complicated. I'd challenge and what I would wanna do is hear what do our best military minds and by the way the president has assembled paid absolutely terrific national security team if you ask me general Mattis the secretary of defense McMaster has sucked National Security Council Mike Pompeo at the CIA tellers Tillerson and the other State Department I think these are very very capable people saw wanna see what the plane that's what what is the plan I think. Ridding the world of aside that is a necessary part and if we're gonna have ability to have some stability I suspect there might have to be a partition. There's no there's no real nation state of Syria anymore as it is it's complicated because the Turks are allies but they. They see our strongest ally on the ground to the Kurds as a very hostile forces the themselves. It's admittedly extremely competent. He didn't sometimes in these situations someone is removed and there is stability and then other times someone has removed and there's instability they're stressed no Ole clear vision of what happens when we get in the power since influence gunman got involved and some of these things. We haven't gotten what we want an out of it and it's turned into yet another nightmare and headache although it's hard to imagine. Somebody much worse in the sky that that's it let's not sound let's be clear what I'm anything like stability now. We have now with the most unstable. The situation. Really pretty much that you can imagine over 400000 Syrians killed. Millions of Syrians displaced instability in Europe because they've allowed millions of un vetted refugees to pour into European destabilize Europe. It's been destabilizing in Iraq. Which by the way had become a stable place before President Obama decided to evacuate the American troops. Who were keeping it stable so I agree it's it's very dangerous is fraught with risk but doing nothing. Is a huge danger as well allowing the world succumbed to their great dictator stood conclude that we can develop chemical weapons use them on our own people. And there are no consequences. That's a very dangerous and sentenced to create it lets a move along we have a question from a listener please support tax reform in the form of a fear or flat tax it's what we're waiting for and that's Lonnie he wants that you know why I wrote a book about economic policy and if you have trouble sleeping a ninth. I would strongly recommend this it's a less expensive than sleeping pills and just as effective but there's a whole chapter on tax reform and I do advocate of flight tanks and very simple. It's it's short you could fill out all the information needed on a postcard to everybody would pay one low flat rate regardless of your source of income regardless of how you spend your income there's no question in my mind would be extremely program with the results would be tremendous economic growth and job creation without having said all that. Very unlikely that we're gonna get something that dramatic I would love to. But I think we're probably gonna have to settle for something that's not as profound. But still could be very pro growth and very much encouraging them no more job creation and higher wages so. I don't think we'll get a pure flat tax but hopefully we'll is moving that direction. Okay and there has been some talk about where we stand twist with tax reform and a the president and before optimistic that maybe by August or might be something in now they don't seem optimistic on I know people are very nervous about this. Because we've talked about this before. People who money in their pockets and they're running out of ways to get it that are legal so they want to cede more money stay in their pockets but we hear from. Those who oppose that that will make the the deficit of the country somehow ballooned to forty stand on Armisen will we see it. People certainly want more pain in their targets the Soto I wanna see that as well the best way to get there is to increase their wages there wages go up. When business has to compete for more workers because they're. Growing their expanding. So I think the real goal for tax reform should be to generate that economic growth. So that companies are hiring and wages are rising that's that's the fundamental dynamic can we get there by August that would be good but you know politically. The truth is that most presidents have accomplished most of their big accomplishments in their first year and gets more difficult in the second year because of mode well every house member and 13 of the senator up for election. And tax reform will often get yelled they'll be if we do it right only wipe out some of the loopholes and write offs and and special favors for special industry as well don't get upset about that. I'm OK with that because we should have an honest fair simple. Tax system that doesn't pick winners and losers bod when you make those changes you inevitably will offend some people yet some people angry those who benefit from the current arrangement right so it becomes more a more difficult to get the votes in congress as you approach. The next congressional elections so this year is the best year to do it. And the president is still in rapidly approaching 100. Days in office I heard a news report an ABC over the weekends at that there is a criticism that he hasn't signed big legislation yeah Pam how do you feel about the happy it's very very. Hard to get really big legislation done in a hundred days I mean one of the big criticisms of the house health care bill was that it came together awfully quickly and people didn't feel like they had a chance to fully digested and advocate for the changes they wanna that sort of thing so I know the press loves to fixate on this hundred year our country and a hundred a metric I don't think that's incredibly important and by the way there have been some significant accomplishments we have been systematically rolling back excessive regulations that are counterproductive to economic growth I think we've passed about a dozen discrete bills that rollback Obama era regulations the president signed them into law the confirmation of -- course which is a very very big deal and that happened and that might end up being the most consequential thing we do this year and it's very consequential to put a really good person on the Supreme Court I do think. This strike in Syria. Now demands of a comprehensive. Plant from the administration that they should present to congress so we ought to vote on an authorization to proceed without planned. So whether that happens within a hundred days are not a pet I like to see it sooner rather than later thought. There's still a lot of time this year I don't we talk away from health care by any means we've got to get that done what promised that we've got to do that. And tax reform is still entirely doable as well. Ask about North Korea it's getting scary fast. It sure is a fan you know we just spend time around ten minutes talking about Syria in the Middle East but honestly I think North Korea is a more imminent threat to the United States. And that is simply the marriage of the nuclear weapons that we know they already have and the Intercontinental ballistic missiles that we know they are in the process of developing I'm to put those two together. Spain apparently deranged individual would have the ability to hold hostage and threatened major American cities I don't think that's an acceptable rest. Not to be wielded by. That guy the question is what do we do about it and it's it's it's very challenging. This is where the strike against Syria I think sent a very constructive message that has happened to happen while Chinese president she is having dinner with president trump. And president trump leaned over instant by the way you should know we've just launched 59 tomahawk cruise missiles. In response to serious use of chemical weapons Ellis talk about North Korea. I mean it changes the context and the calculus for the Chinese to the fundamental challenge for us is getting the Chinese to be more assertive about getting rid of this madman who's so dangerous the more they believe that we're gonna do it ourselves if they don't. The more likely the Chinese are I think to play constructive role and to help but what are they fearful of are they fearful of what will happen to I guess to their own country if something. Is done this doesn't end there they're afraid that a number of things. If so here's the regime in North Korea were to collapse they worry about one a mass exodus across the border into China refugees that they have to Lendale lest they warned that can be destabilizing to parts of China. They warn that if hour and happened the US might send. A greater commitment to secure South Korea and end here you would have a very powerful American presence right in their backyard at their doorstep they don't like that outcome cell and and frankly it's not an easy one thing about this guy as crazy as he appears to us he's been able to hold on the power is a savage and ruthless dictator meaning. Murders his own family members and anyone else that he just questions their loyalty so it is difficult to get beat it in person intelligence. That would make him vulnerable it's difficult for anyone nevertheless the Chinese are actively supporting the North Korean economy and I think that's gonna have to end. If we're gonna get to get the regime change that we need there. That's Pennsylvania US senator Pat Toomey. Who visited with us earlier in the week to discuss national and international happenings a full version of this interview appears on the website of Entercom station W while okay. At www. W I'll OK news radio dot com. You are listening to special addition on Entercom communications. It's it's your listening to special edition on intercom communications. Hosted by so Henry. When you think about the first couple you might think about the White House. Author and PBS host Bruce Steelers thinks the garden of Eden. And he writes about adamant even a brand new book dealer tells the story of faith love CN murder and family in the first love story. Adam eve and I stay up front and we've been fascinated with these these two individuals and for as long as I've been alive per eve has got a bad rap they say you had done on me and she dumped on so what are. He decide to take this up as a topic and nine that you love the Bible you've done a lot of work with them but talk about that. I would really begin to my kitchen table had a working Wi-Fi and go to twin daughters were adolescents and I mean we spent a lot of time talking about how men and women relate to each other and were all just confused about a brawl struggling in real time about the patent usually oppose what can research or the latest bout but I just can't help thinking if there nothing from the past that's worth preserving. And so we're in the Sistine Chapel a few years ago looking up and out of me but my girls and I thought oh my gosh this story has been at the heart of every conversation about men women and fax four for 3000 years. As you give it sounds maybe it has something to teach us and you know when you look at the story it is it's like ripped from the headlines good. It is resilient and togetherness and forgive their bad men have a government stakes and all the time to thank god as you know you were suggesting or graduates and basically recognize distorted holdout of women at the greatest character assassination ever and when you peel it back it absolutely. Seems timeout and we'll finally have the same time. Make a little case for eve here. Well I mean EU and the press it again inequality like a dog. And could create Adam and eve together. Divide and equally what's true for the man that's true for the woman okay. I meant what happened to you know our government then it's been very good post First Amendment and the second version of the story and he comes along and I'm Richard Christy cars you can still walk and ride the two were they given no no shame at all happy but it's. So she wants independence just going to be second serve also should go talk and she reaches for not to try it should eat the fruit of but the forbidden fruit and you know you could say it's a mistake. And that's organized religion as characterize it but she's also wants freedom potential north but she still want to be without a decision gives good to have you know it is a mistake what he choose apparently choose. Each other and god kicked him out but they admit. Blast took them protects them give them children oh my gosh mom murder the other six what do they do thicker and the whole story there. They forgive base steal their world and they come back to the government have a third child so. And he populates the human mind that I read that story. Either way this is how Michelangelo rather than built an embed Ernest Hemingway in the women's rights movement I see you know two people. Seesawing who takes the lead back and forth who is a living would equilibrium realizing they need each other. And then like that's exactly what we're doing now we need each other but we don't know the rules so we're trying to figure them out in real time. Bruce you and Amanda heck of a Sunday school teacher let me tell IF the way you spend concerns I think it and then it's like I'm an end and that would really throw the cans because sometimes they can't pay attention but these historian. Excited agricultural aren't a lot of credit Iberia. I'm excited when I hear Atlanta sometimes it's been. I I guess may do some might draw also talk about ten that the travels that you did. Two the garden gives you know I lord what was that like. Well there there's an Iraq now where where you have a special place in the side and so is the in my book doesn't know how all of you have a member Donald across the street what you see there is that ideal landing emerging out of water which is exactly. Blood they're very revival. I'm a Bible taught that I don't want to the Bible on my work has been about going to the places I'm leaving the store where it occurred but there's not many places to go without the need a damn what happened if I exceeded incredible array of confident of our system to go to meet a bad song got coming into the segment. Your brother Bob Dylan beyond everybody's been talking about destroy it for purpose how many years so I got a dormant account incredible scavenger hunt is great road trip. From Iraq to Jerusalem to London some of overwhelmed the Galapagos. Mechanical fault New York a member of the women's movement Hollywood and see. Basically how men and women slowly over time the largely women kindly written the story updated the story. And made it relevant toward government there are about where I am in canal. When we're struggling with a male female relation. Like you go back and look at the story it's amazing how how strong and powerful blast from our. Yeah and then marriage in the standing inches there really tricky proposition some people stick it out and it in the case since that in many in the end the wages led the case out. There were they extraordinary challenges that they had so what real real love for each other and. I guess in an aren't any do people get into these situations were they won't forgive the other person. People learn about their forgiveness from looking at this first couple. So the first relatively common Brazilian tribe bouncing back from cutbacks and cultural defect to challenge in Nolan could command get to the broken heart and to get over her right and you may go to a difficult time maybe the government and I'm glad the loss for the job or. Maybe your children disappointed remember the idea of Brazilians is incredibly important for forgiveness of all about deuce is still we can forgive a survivor did you like your arm that's didn't I would forgiveness for the the researchers you forgive somebody because you believe you. Like it it's a selfish act the way to forgive. Forgive the other person to get attention and the stress out of view and opened yourself up. To a renewed. A possibility and about a minute but the technological what. I blamed you for bringing tap into the rushing to forget how much about it in Q are you can forgive if you could forgive her style foreign one of Hollywood culture about pork. Though forgetting to bring coming home the most confident for the pageant so I can tell what. Video distort or extreme obviously. But yet vocal lessons are important to do a number one lesson the stats but it was a story we tell what another person invited to the idea of help of co creating a life of commonality in alive haven't shared story incident when you have. I'll probably road but the fact I'll do talk to you you you have a new chapter to your life story and that's put out of the needs would actually look and role model for the rest of us I don't think of how we remember them about anybody have a motive for our producer David those are also singled. It is out of bed do you the first story the story of connection problems out. It's almost not even get together. In history and can we need to give him credit for about. I just for a certain neglected that adamant this conversational and meant but he volley seems to be because the fascinating figure so I'm. What do you something about that Adam and you think people should know more or never forget that. But I couldn't god get out he takes a look at her fault a lot of fried my gosh people wandered into Matt Wright who went out of my dog's flesh of my financial and up a little forward. But beyond that I can do to keep momma would have government is in fact after she's afraid she comes back jumpers who don't have he knows he's absolutely unit right Dominican to duty. He compared club and you can Mikey did the opposite yeah. And got a very good party gets all the camps these so I'm committed do you even if we have to leave even the governor and he showed a lot making them have two children she gives them a name it's gonna see sawing of how high I give them credit for. For being accountable to what the word of the liberated may have gotten book. Amoled nobody would want to I'm want to equilibrium and equality it's a struggle for how about it is for all of us. I think he deserves a lot of credit he did you have to give a strong addition to personally remember me. Padilla the complicated about it. That's Bruce fielder New York Times columnist PBS host and author of the first love story. Adam eve and us you're listening to special addition on Entercom communications. Thanks for listening to special edition. A weekly look at these issues in the news and the personalities shaping historians.